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Skyscrapers to starships

Postby WarpNein » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:40 pm

This is an immensely silly premise I admit, but I can't be the only one who does this. I've been fascinated with skyscrapers and Star Trek since I was very young. Towers got me into architecture. Since many skyscrapers naturally somewhat resemble rockets, has anyone ever just imagined one taking off, or how it might behave as a ship. We've seen a few ships in Trek with geometries similar to some towers (the triangular Tholian ships, some of the ENT-era Vulcan ships, absent the ring nacelle).

Offhand, the Wuhan Greenland Center, Jeddah Tower and Bahrain World.Trade Center (or at least half of it) would make interesting ships I think.

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Re: Skyscrapers to starships

Postby el gato » Fri Nov 17, 2017 5:01 pm

I hadn't thought about them as starships, though the concept is intriguing. Where I think the intersection between the two lie is to see the sci fi ships' sizes relative to those buildings
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Re: Skyscrapers to starships

Postby kobayashimaru » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:48 pm

indeed,
you'd probably like Battlefleet Gothic then - those are basically flying buildings :D
starships, especially 'generation ships' are very much like Aircraft Carrier or larger mobile cities.
I'm in awe of how aircraft carriers, oil rigs, and large buildings function on earth,
let alone spacecraft (and, let alone ships which move FTL)


stuff like the Louvre pyramid, the st louis arch,
American-style water towers (for anyone who's read G Crew's "The WaterTower" :lol: )
hows about Epcot Disney Sphere etc. that is one awesome building.

various disc/toroidal houses,
(which resemble Coanda-Flettner "Project WEAV" - plasmonic-ionocraft )

and some of those art deco buildings, or bauhaus, sure.
they look like stuff out of perry rhodan or buck rodgers etc.
the Gotheanum plans look like a borg or chodak starship :D

The Great Pillar of Delhi also resembles 'cigar-shaped' craft.
to say nothing of some of the ancient buildings of meso america.
there's etchings in a few places, of fairly large polychora,
purportedly made from thin plates brazed together as one.

some of Frank lloyd wright's ideas were amazing.
some looked like rocketship geometry in collab with buckminster fuller etc,
other stuff looked so sleek.

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NuWarsTrek - TrekWars, films a lot of industrial buildings and interiors
for 'decks' of the starships etc.
so it might be a case of great minds thinking alike on that.

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Re: Skyscrapers to starships

Postby TonyG2 » Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:32 am

Probably the best series to feature ships that follow the skyscraper model is The expanse. The MCN Donnager is a prime example as is the heroes ship, the Roccinante.

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The Donnager is practically the Empire State Building with huge rocket engines.....

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Re: Skyscrapers to starships

Postby WarpNein » Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:35 pm

The four engines on that one reminds me of Chow Tai Fook Tianjin a bit.

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I thought about some of the generational ships we see, particularly typologies of pod assemblies within frameworks a la the Varro ship. Santiago Calatrava's old design for 80 South Street would work well blown up to a few miles long.

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Re: Skyscrapers to starships

Postby Greyryder » Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:57 am

WarpNein wrote:The four engines on that one reminds me of Chow Tai Fook Tianjin a bit.

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Now, that looks like a space ship.

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Re: Skyscrapers to starships

Postby slawton » Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:09 pm

Makes sense -- structurally, rockets and skyscrapers have similar problems. They are vertically tall and need to withstand significant gravitational/compressional forces. In space, the linear acceleration would have a similar affect as gravity. However, there's rotational and turning shearing forces that may be more reminiscent of naval ships. This assumes more reality-based science than Star Trek pseudo-science (i.e. inertial dampeners).

They typically don't show overall structural failures (although seen in "The Black Hole", Starship Troopers & NuBSG) but regularly have catastrophic explosions, hull breaches, and some "chunks" of the ship torn off.
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Re: Skyscrapers to starships

Postby TonyG2 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:53 pm

Another good one was the USS Ascension from the TV miniseries Ascension.

I can't recall the size being stated but it was a multigenerational ship with a crew of 600 on a 100 year trip to Proxima Centauri (sort of). According to the plot it was launched in complete secrecy in the 1960s using tech that the show claimed to be a realistic representation of what was possible then. It was nuclear powered using the Orion type pulse detonation approach and damn it was big.

This is the only photo I have been able to find with a comparison view

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Looked pretty impressive in the FX shots

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Re: Skyscrapers to starships

Postby el gato » Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:38 pm

The Ascension was a good show. Too bad it wasn't picked up. It was too sci fi for syfy
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Re: Skyscrapers to starships

Postby TonyG2 » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:10 am

I liked the intrigue aspects but the hippy trippy mental teleportation plot issues were a bit too much for me.

Kept hoping it would be given a chance but like Defying Gravity, as you say it was too SciFi for SyFy....


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