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Re: STAR TREK Size Chart
Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2018 6:51 am
by FLEETYARD
kobayashimaru wrote: ↑Mon Jul 16, 2018 12:20 am
@fleetyard
does that revise the Oberth's overall length and beam as an increase or decrease to the overall dimensions? ...
Between each deck of Starfleet ships are Jeffries tubes. If the Oberth class were only 120,4m long, then it would have a deck height of 2,9m (-1m Jeffries tube
= 1,9m for a room). That's just too small to be credible. That's why the Oberth class is bigger than on the ILM Size Chart.
Re: STAR TREK Size Chart
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:06 am
by FLEETYARD
Re: STAR TREK Size Chart
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:08 am
by FLEETYARD
Re: STAR TREK Size Chart
Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:22 am
by FLEETYARD
Re: STAR TREK Size Chart
Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:52 pm
by nova1972x
I do NOT like or watch STD, but I really like the STD Enterprise. It is what the JJprise should have been!
Re: STAR TREK Size Chart
Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:18 pm
by Tesral
nova1972x wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:52 pm
I do NOT like or watch STD, but I really like the STD Enterprise. It is what the JJprise should have been!
I'm going to grump about the unnecessary changes, but yes. The JJprise is horrible. Even if you know nothing about Star Trek it is an unaesthetic beast, Based on the
Golden Mean alone it sucks. (The Jefferies Enterprise is in accord with the golden mean in case you wondered.) The STD Enterprise is closer to the original proportions.
Re: STAR TREK Size Chart
Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:22 pm
by nova1972x
Tesral wrote: ↑Fri Oct 05, 2018 3:18 pm
nova1972x wrote: ↑Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:52 pm
I do NOT like or watch STD, but I really like the STD Enterprise. It is what the JJprise should have been!
I'm going to grump about the unnecessary changes, but yes. The JJprise is horrible. Even if you know nothing about Star Trek it is an unaesthetic beast, Based on the
Golden Mean alone it sucks. (The Jefferies Enterprise is in accord with the golden mean in case you wondered.) The STD Enterprise is closer to the original proportions.
I watched a youtube video (not sure which one to be honest...probably trekyards) where it was explained that CBS had some weird legal reason they had to change the Enterprise by something like 25% from TOS. From a canon perspective, it makes no sense to have the Enterprise appear as it does in Discovery, but that does explain the real world reason.
In my own head canon, that design would work for a Phase II era Enterprise, though. It does look like a cross between the TMP refit and TOS Jefferies version.
Re: STAR TREK Size Chart
Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:49 am
by ProfArturo
I'm not buying it, surely one either has the rights to use something or they do not, rather than an arbitrary percentage of it.
Re: STAR TREK Size Chart
Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:39 pm
by Captain Robert April
It all has to do with the licensing agreement with Bad Robot for the JJ films and a ten year noncompete clause preventing CBS from making its own Star Trek until JJ's version has run its course. Since that clause is still in effect, DSC is being made under the Bad Robot license, via Alex Kurtzman's production company, thus the legal requirement that everything and everyone be at least 25% different than mainline established Trek.
In other words, despite the happy talk from Kurtzman and Co., DSC is not canon and never will be. It's legally prohibited from being canon. And this also goes for the upcoming Picard show.
Re: STAR TREK Size Chart
Posted: Sat Oct 13, 2018 4:37 pm
by Griffworks
Captain Robert April wrote: ↑Sat Oct 13, 2018 3:39 pm
It all has to do with the licensing agreement with Bad Robot for the JJ films and a ten year noncompete clause preventing CBS from making its own Star Trek until JJ's version has run its course. Since that clause is still in effect, DSC is being made under the Bad Robot license, via Alex Kurtzman's production company, thus the legal requirement that everything and everyone be at least 25% different than mainline established Trek.
In other words, despite the happy talk from Kurtzman and Co., DSC is not canon and never will be. It's legally prohibited from being canon. And this also goes for the upcoming Picard show.
Neither JJ Trek nor STD were a part of Canon as far as I was concerned, anyhow. This is just frosting on my Trek Cake. Thanks for making my day, Bob!
