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Re: Federation Standard Containers

Postby Jason Abbadon » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:54 am

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The USS Gao Yao- a dual pod cargo hauler.
Named after the Chinese God of luck, she was my very first scratchbash!
Her pods are modified super glue containers- they work great for TMP era containers.

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Re: Federation Standard Containers

Postby Tesral » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:33 am

The difficult to acquire tube with a TOS saucer for scale. Time for end caps.

Standard Containers are not something I see changing, they are after all "standard". The next generation of ships will be built to handle the existing containers, and new containers built to be carried by the existing ships.

Like the container system that is in use now. No one is going to build a new cargo ship that is sized and proportioned to use a container different than the ones that fill a hundred ports.

AISI TNG uses the same containers as TOS.

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Re: Federation Standard Containers

Postby Jason Abbadon » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:32 pm

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I think the containers would change- just not their docking mechanisms.
Look at railroad cars- they've changed some over the past sixty years or so of standardization- yet stayed very familiar at the same time.

It's the passenger cars that have gotten the big upgrades.
We'd see much innovation in passenger pods.

We'd probably also see mega container ships- something like a Galaxy's secondary hull with dozens of "standard" cargo pods attached to each other via some great metal web....and pulled along via tractor beam.

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Re: Federation Standard Containers

Postby Tesral » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:17 pm

Like these ships? http://trekcreative.wikia.com/wiki/Ane_ ... transports

The difference between railroad cars and standard cargo containers is you do not stack rail cars. Ergo they can have different shapes. There are still limits as to height, width and length. The trucks must meet standards as do the couplers.
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Re: Federation Standard Containers

Postby mophius » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:36 pm

You would think the larger transports like the Behemoth would have two or three sets of nacelles to keep the warp bubble more stable.
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Re: Federation Standard Containers

Postby Tesral » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:41 pm

mophius wrote:You would think the larger transports like the Behemoth would have two or three sets of nacelles to keep the warp bubble more stable.


They are four nacelle ships.
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Re: Federation Standard Containers

Postby Jason Abbadon » Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:36 pm

Ravenstar's Sunbear class had two nacelles up front and four at the rear with huge number of cargo pods between them along the ship's spine.


Tesral wrote:Like these ships? http://trekcreative.wikia.com/wiki/Ane_ ... transports

The difference between railroad cars and standard cargo containers is you do not stack rail cars. Ergo they can have different shapes. There are still limits as to height, width and length. The trucks must meet standards as do the couplers.

You don't usually stack space cargo pods either...though they do in SW, where physics make little sense.

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Re: Federation Standard Containers

Postby Tesral » Tue Jan 09, 2018 10:15 pm

Jason Abbadon wrote:Ravenstar's Sunbear class had two nacelles up front and four at the rear with huge number of cargo pods between them along the ship's spine.


That would be one way to do it.


Jason Abbadon wrote:You don't usually stack space cargo pods either...though they do in SW, where physics make little sense.


And Trek physics make perfect sense.

And why not stack them? It would depend on the type of container, no? The big containers here are going to have internal palatalization systems for non fluid cargo. Much like we see in TMP, or used on modern airlines today.

If you are going toward the rail car analogy they still need to fit inside the 200x40m cylinder, have the docking pad in the same place and the docking connectors bow and stern. They are not going to change much as they want the maximum cargo capacity that fits that criteria.

I have specified a number of variants.


This of course assume that interstellar commerce has a point at all.
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Re: Federation Standard Containers

Postby Jason Abbadon » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:30 am

Nothing needs to "fit inside the cylinder" at all.
Those cylinders are goofy holdovers from the old (and frankly awful) FJ designs.
Now if those cylinders had a ton if windows, they'd be fine as passenger cars, but nothing says cargo needs to be confined to those featureless tubes.

In truth, they could just magnitize a bunch of smaller cargo pods together- just as long as they fit inside the ship's warp field, it wouldn't matter what shape they had.

The big tube containers work great for fuel or compressed gas or even aquatic lifeforms.... it'd be awesome to see one cast in clear light blue with a tiny whale inside it!

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Re: Federation Standard Containers

Postby Tesral » Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:58 am

I happen to like the goofy cylinders.
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