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Re: Sulfer Crested Romulan

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 2:55 am
by RogueWolf
Jason Abbadon wrote:Good call, Roguewolf- moving parts on a Starship is the height of stupidity,- the the KBOP being the ONLY exception!
I think so as well. Take the Reman Warbird in ST: Nemesis. All Picard had to do to stop the weapon was ram the delicate wings! No need to ram the ship head on. Once the wing emitters were busted up the weapon wouldn't be able to fire properly anyway.

Re: Sulfer Crested Romulan

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:38 pm
by Xen
Moving parts on a starship is the height of stupidity? Gosh, i hope that qualifies for tongue-in-cheek. ;)

I'll take the imaginary starships that are 2500 times smaller than if they were real and raise you all the real life, stupid 'professional' folk i have to calmly talk to, because talking to them with a raised voice or telling them what i'd like to do to them might make them question what on earth they could have done wrong.

Re: Sulfer Crested Romulan

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 4:44 pm
by el gato
What, this doesn't look feasible to y'all?

http://holmers.com/FlappingWings.gif

Your build's coming along nicely, Tesral

Re: Sulfer Crested Romulan

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 5:41 pm
by RogueWolf
While I like the KBoP, I still have issues with the moveable wings, why? What's the purpose? I know there is cruise mode, landing mode and attack mode, but why? why not just design the wings fixed/ Then there is no need of the heavy equipment required to move these wings. Same with Voyagers moveable nacelles, never a fan of them either.

While I am not a fan of very large starships having moving parts and such, I can appreciate the ascetics of starship design that may use these some of these elements.

Re: Sulfer Crested Romulan

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 6:02 pm
by Xen
The short answer from my perspective (because I don't want to start and completely hijack Tesral's very nice build thread) is because it makes it pop. As a gamer, I appreciate cool over canon or rl accurate.

Just to be clear though, RW's design looks great in any form. I am looking forward to more eye candy.

Re: Sulfer Crested Romulan

Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:32 pm
by Jason Abbadon
RogueWolf wrote:While I like the KBoP, I still have issues with the moveable wings, why? What's the purpose? I know there is cruise mode, landing mode and attack mode, but why? why not just design the wings fixed/ Then there is no need of the heavy equipment required to move these wings. Same with Voyagers moveable nacelles, never a fan of them either.

While I am not a fan of very large starships having moving parts and such, I can appreciate the ascetics of starship design that may use these some of these elements.
On the KBOP they DO sorta make sense- in that it spreads the ship's weapons into a triangular firing arc instead of a fixed plane if the wings were straight across.
It also makes sense that they move upwards for landing.

But stuff like Voyager? No way. Soooo stupid in a fanboy "because it's kewel!" way.
Same holds for the Prometheus and all the other gimmicky things where huge amounts of the starship's recourses go to the gimmick- like how the Prommie's top and bottom sections can't dock up. Damage one part of the ship and the whole thing becomes a joke.

Also consider all the extra tonnage and wasted internal volume when a big part of the ship is the mechanisms needed to move huge pylons and tons of hull...

It's funny- until this last movie, even Star Wars shied away from capital ships having moving parts (and in SW, they were just goofy giant guns).

Re: Sulfer Crested Romulan

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:40 am
by el gato
Not to derail Tesral's build thread, but my understanding was that the reason for V'ger's gimmicky movin' nacelles was that was the way to deal with the negative effects of warp drive as seen in "Force of Nature." You know, that episode where warp drive was polluting the universe (message people, message)? The episode so mindbogglingly bad everyone promptly ignored it because there was nowhere they could go with it?

Re: Sulfer Crested Romulan

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 2:33 am
by Greyryder
el gato wrote:Not to derail Tesral's build thread, but my understanding was that the reason for V'ger's gimmicky movin' nacelles was that was the way to deal with the negative effects of warp drive as seen in "Force of Nature." You know, that episode where warp drive was polluting the universe (message people, message)? The episode so mindbogglingly bad everyone promptly ignored it because there was nowhere they could go with it?
That was the thought I always had, too. But then, I realized something about Voyager's geometry. With the nacelles up, the Bussard collectors are obscured by the saucer. With them down, they have no line of sight to each other. I don't know how much they were paying attention to Roddenberry's laws when they designed the ship, but it's another possible reason for that.

Re: Sulfer Crested Romulan

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:00 am
by RogueWolf
back to the topic at hand, Tesral, any more progress? Pics!!!

Re: Sulfer Crested Romulan

Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 5:26 am
by Tesral
This is a Lansky sharping system. By means of the diamond stones in this device I keep my blades razor sharp.
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This is a medical grade chisel. The things actually come in a sterile pack, not that they stay that way long. They run a couple of bucks each. Ergo they are not the throw away item that No 11 blades are.
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So I applied the object of the first part to the object of the second part and put that wonderful shave curls off resin edge back on the chisel. The impulse engines have been bedeviling me because I can't get the usual suspect tools in to shave the tab down a tad as I am finding is needed.

Once I grab a couple more micro brushes from the box I'll glue the suckers up.

PS: I'm still fighting off the cold. I should be in bed with a snot load of Nyquil in me, but even with that sleep eludes.